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Originally Posted by Mynydd
Cirrus has mentioned "The South". I would ask which south. As you move towards the South of Francia (north of Pays d'Oc), I would expect this element to be weaker. But I don't know this for certain so I'm just speculating here.
However, I can well imagine that by "The South" he meant Occitania. Any Frankish element there has to be extremely weak, if it exists at all. Unless we assumed that the Franks were touring around with something else in their hands than the sword. I'm sure that you know what I mean.
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Ha ! Again this debate about the
Frenchness of Occitania.
It seems to be become reccurent between us.
Anyway, I will just add that the term
Francia just mean "the territory where the Franks exercise their authority", so, like you can see in the map posted by Carnyx, it could have been a very large land (and so, not only Northern Gaul).
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Originally Posted by Mynydd
In that "South" (Occitania) it was the Goths who settled there. First in Aquitania (West) and then in the Narbonensis (East).
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Yes, but Franks (with Clovis) conquered Aquitania in 507 (battle of Vouillé) and Provence in 536. So, there was also a Frankish presence there since those times.