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Originally Posted by Agrippa

Read the link posted.

No thanks, too much, I don't have time.

European cultures and occidental culture of the Romano-Germanic kind, born in the Frankish core areas and Northern Italy, is not the same obviously, since the early Balts were of course European already without a doubt, to use an example, but they werent occidental in the same sense as 11th century France and Germany f.e.

Occidental or western culture if you want, is a myth. There's only European culture and even this in some very very broad sense, since obviously cultures of different nations are different. What we share in common is Catholicism and some historical ties. In that way it's impossible to speak that any kind of western culture was brought to us by Germans. As I said before, we have our own culture that is in some larger picture part of Europe and it was part of Europe since the begining.

Well, the newer developments, to put it that way, came from somewhere else. A simple proof is that Slovenians had no larger cities of their own, structured in an occidental-Western way.

What part of history do you talk now? Of course we had cities, back in the Roman times and later. Or maybe Emona, Poetovio etc were build by Germanics... I wouldn't be surprised if you'd claim that after reading your other posts. Also, cities aren't needed to have a culture, rather the opposite, since cities are more opened to multiculturalisms of all kind.

Germanics became part of that culture with time too, but the difference is the were founders or at least co-founders and spread it.

No they weren't founders. When Rome was an empire you were still living in forrests somewhere in Germania. And yes at that time our ancestors lived in cities ("structured in an occidental way"). Or maybe for you, city structured in an occidental way means Germanics living in the middle of forests in some huts.

Well, there were just two really important influences on all Slavic nations if talking about occidental culture, "the West" (Frankish Empire) and "the East" (Byzantine Empire). Most came from those two influences and like you said yourself, Slovenians were mostly on the Western side (Catholicism, German and Italian culture).

We're only on "western side". And we were there before you, way before you. We don't have German and Italians culture, but our own Slovenian culture, how long do you want to repeat that crap without even trying to back it up?

Its not about right or wrong, but organisation, the kind of and its effectiveness.

Effectiveness? How is culture effective? How is culture organized?

Haha Germans....

Depends. Living as a farmer didnt helped European people to evolve on, but rather degenerate too. I dont say cities are better, since they are worse, even if the better rural elements usually go to the cities (more often).

Yes we evolved... To what? Some degenerates living in capitalist modern world waiting to leave whatever's left of our countries to immigrants.

This was no "superiority complex", but reality. It might have become a "superiority complex" in some cases though, like it was an "inferiority complex" for many Slavs. It was the result of the Eastern-Central European developments as they were.

This is what I was talking about when I said superiority complex.

Going after your descriptions, the Northern part is what is Slovenia is about (Germanized Slavs), because otherwise they could be Croatians...

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I don't really care what you guys from Germany think about us, we know what reality is even though there's still much confusion about our true identity because of all those lies of all kinds of imperialists. You'll see that majority of Slovenian wouldn't feel close to Germans and neither would they feel much closer to Slavs and Balkan. And it's the right thing to do, since I don't think it's good to trust any of our neighbours after experiences from the past or feel close to them.