[Agrippa]

Originally Posted by M.R.

Western culture is too broad term and doesn't mean much. I rather call it European culture, adn it didn't come to us trough Germans and Italians, it was already here as we're part of Europe and European culture. After the fall of Roman empire we were equal part of Catholic Europe just like Germans or Italians. If you want to speak about "western culture" in terms of Greek and Roman culture, than I have to inform you that our ancestors brought that culture to you and not the other way around, since we were part of Roman empire and you were not. But than again, I'm not that big fan of Roman empire anyway.

Read the link posted. European cultures and occidental culture of the Romano-Germanic kind, born in the Frankish core areas and Northern Italy, is not the same obviously, since the early Balts were of course European already without a doubt, to use an example, but they werent occidental in the same sense as 11th century France and Germany f.e.

Europe itself is more or less based on Catholicism, which has it's roots also in Roman and Greek civilization. No one brought culture to us as we had our culture already, it was just influenced trough history by other cultures and we were part of the European civilization since the begining.

Well, the newer developments, to put it that way, came from somewhere else. A simple proof is that Slovenians had no larger cities of their own, structured in an occidental-Western way.

Slovenia is not on the east of Europe, but the same as most of Germany in central Europe. You transmitted this Roman and Greek culture to them and Roman empire transmitted that to you.

Germanics became part of that culture with time too, but the difference is the were founders or at least co-founders and spread it.

Slavs is again too broad term and doesn't really mean much in this context due to difference between different Slavic nations.

Well, there were just two really important influences on all Slavic nations if talking about occidental culture, "the West" (Frankish Empire) and "the East" (Byzantine Empire). Most came from those two influences and like you said yourself, Slovenians were mostly on the Western side (Catholicism, German and Italian culture).

This is again Germanic imperialist crap, speaking about developing other nation's cultures. I don't see anything wrong with our culture in rural areas

Its not about right or wrong, but organisation, the kind of and its effectiveness.

we're maybe farmer nation, but those were honest people who cared about themselves and lived more healthy life than degenerates in cities.

Depends. Living as a farmer didnt helped European people to evolve on, but rather degenerate too. I dont say cities are better, since they are worse, even if the better rural elements usually go to the cities (more often).

Of course it was driven by hatred and it didn't have much to do with nationalism in the first place. Your superiority complex about having some kind of higher culture than us is what inspired Germanic imperialism. Even today, so-called nationalists from your country still think that way (not all though).

This was no "superiority complex", but reality. It might have become a "superiority complex" in some cases though, like it was an "inferiority complex" for many Slavs. It was the result of the Eastern-Central European developments as they were.

You don't know much about Slovenian culture if you're making that kind of claims. We have our own culture, but it's influenced by other culture depending on the region. Northern Slovenia (Styria and Gorenjska) have been influenced greatly by German culture, I can't deny that and there are really much similiarities between those two regions and Germany. The problem however, and also the reason why you and many others make that claim, is that popular image of Slovenian identity is many times more connected with northern Slovenia and ignores rest of Slovenia, so that's why when someone thinks of Slovenia, he has the image of Triglav and Alps and rest of Gorenjska.

Going after your descriptions, the Northern part is what is Slovenia is about (Germanized Slavs), because otherwise they could be Croatians...