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Originally Posted by Agrippa

B) Because of the above mentioned, as a Slovenian, you have to say that, because the Western culture came to you through Germans and Italians respectively, Slovenians had no larger cities on their own.

Western culture is too broad term and doesn't mean much. I rather call it European culture, adn it didn't come to us trough Germans and Italians, it was already here as we're part of Europe and European culture. After the fall of Roman empire we were equal part of Catholic Europe just like Germans or Italians. If you want to speak about "western culture" in terms of Greek and Roman culture, than I have to inform you that our ancestors brought that culture to you and not the other way around, since we were part of Roman empire and you were not. But than again, I'm not that big fan of Roman empire anyway.

Europe itself is more or less based on Catholicism, which has it's roots also in Roman and Greek civilization. No one brought culture to us as we had our culture already, it was just influenced trough history by other cultures and we were part of the European civilization since the begining.

Germans functioned as a transmitter of higher occidental culture to the East - not just Germans, but also Dutch (which were at that time largely the same anyway), Wallonians, French and Italians, but primarily, if considering numbers and impact, Germans of course.

Slovenia is not on the east of Europe, but the same as most of Germany in central Europe. You transmitted this Roman and Greek culture to them and Roman empire transmitted that to you.

The problem of Slavs, this is my personal opinion, was that they were not really thankful but became envy of the Germans and since those had a dominant position, began to hate them in an often rather primitive way. The Germans, in a privileged position, on the other hand, began to fear the rising numbers of the Slav peasantry and their hate.

Slavs is again too broad term and doesn't really mean much in this context due to difference between different Slavic nations.

They also had a strong feeling for their function and position as culture bearers and at the beginning even tried to help many "underdeveloped" nations to develop their own national culture in a rather romantic way.

This is again Germanic imperialist crap, speaking about developing other nation's cultures. I don't see anything wrong with our culture in rural areas, we're maybe farmer nation, but those were honest people who cared about themselves and lived more healthy life than degenerates in cities. It's better to be a peasant than be a part of so called "culturalized" world which later destroyed or tried to destroy other cultures in most barbaric and unculturalized way as possible.

But again, this early romantic Nationalism of Germans, which wasnt driven by hatred at all, wasnt thanked by the others, but intensified the conflicts already present...

Of course it was driven by hatred and it didn't have much to do with nationalism in the first place. Your superiority complex about having some kind of higher culture than us is what inspired Germanic imperialism. Even today, so-called nationalists from your country still think that way (not all though).

In a way, Slovenians are culturally "Germanized Slavs". Beside the language, there is little which makes them that different by culture.

You don't know much about Slovenian culture if you're making that kind of claims. We have our own culture, but it's influenced by other culture depending on the region. Northern Slovenia (Styria and Gorenjska) have been influenced greatly by German culture, I can't deny that and there are really much similiarities between those two regions and Germany. The problem however, and also the reason why you and many others make that claim, is that popular image of Slovenian identity is many times more connected with northern Slovenia and ignores rest of Slovenia, so that's why when someone thinks of Slovenia, he has the image of Triglav and Alps and rest of Gorenjska.

You'd be surprised if you visited my region, in eastern Slovenia, which by the way never was under any Germanic rule neither was there any process of Germanization, that there are very little similarities with Germany, if there are any. Or in southern Slovenia like Bela Krajina for example, which was influenced by Balkan culture during history. As I said in some other thread, there is no Slovenian identity as a whole, but rather it consists of several regional identities and the fact that we share some common history. We're also in the middle of Europe, where northern Europe meats southern Europe, between Balkan and Germanic lands.