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Originally Posted by Lutiferre

The Geats are generally accepted to be Goths

You should review your information on that. It is obsolete.

and are linked to the Goths in the area of the Baltic, where they likely originate, yes. Similarly, Jutes have been linked to the Goths, I dont know if Jutland is considered Baltic but it is certainly in that region.

You must try to understand what all these claims are about. They are involved in an aura of romanticism, where the Goths are depicted as the greatest northern people from antiquity (that's the one part that's correct), and that has made many in the northern countries to want to find a link of themselves with the Goths.

We've had our share of it too. It's called neo-Gothicism. Although it is a different matter that goes back to the early days after the Islamic eruption.

I havent said so, actually I wasnt dealing with origins, that doesnt make the Geats any less Gothic.

Like I said, there was a bit of confusion there, and that belief seems to be obsolete.

Everything you are saying does not change the simple fact that the Goths were Germanic

Of course not. What it does is that it puts a big question mark to the questiong "what is Germanic".

and the content of their culture was related to the content of Germanic culture in general. It is the Germanic tribes that define Germanic culture, not vice versa.

You are, again, ignoring the fact that over their long wandering they logically acquired enough traits of culture and character, alien from anything core Germanic, to make the Goths a people of their own not necessarily Germanic other than in origin (since, near to the end, they had even dropped their language to adopt Latin).

No one is truly Germanic today, seeing as the only cultural legacy is a limited level of tradition which has diverged from any uniting element in this meta-ethnic designation, that was only once preserved by the proximity of Germanic tribes, so I am not going to discuss the Germanicity of their legacy.

Like I've said many times before, I don't give much credit to all these romanticist thingies. But I don't mind others playing with them, providing that they don't excess the limits of the reasonable and of respect.

Anyway, they were Germanic both by blood and culture, but I am not denying that they were probably influenced culturally by the indigenous after they settled, because they were absorbed when their kingdom collapsed.

They were not "absorbed" when "their kingdom collapsed". Where did you get that idea from?

That does not make their ethnicity or origin any less Germanic, though.

Their "ethnicity"? Are you aware that you are talking of an ancient tribe?

Between you and I, or between a Goth and you, the only Germanic it is you.