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Originally Posted by Dux
Well... Germans won territory in some areas, lost much more in other regions. It's fate. It's history. If Slovenia still has a grudge on Austria, it may propose a deal
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Don't conclude from a minority of Slovenes on the attitude of the majority. And Carinthia is in any case and was for the centuries already a German country. If at all, people only discussed about parts of it, Carinthia as a whole being never considered predominantely Slavic by any serious source.
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Also, I didn't say it can be considered as modern Czechs or Slovaks.
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You compared them with those. Those Slavs which lived there were partly of a different kind and should be rather considered as general Slavs, not even Western Slavs in the modern way of the word. They came with the Avars and had a kingdom under the Frank Samo. The history of early Slavs in Central Europe is an issue on its own and a topic for more than one major book...
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The original population of Austria, before it became Germanized, were the "Slavic" people, which are the ancestors of today's Czechs, Slovaks and Slovenians and were in the same tribal union together.
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"The original population" of Austria was ???. Then came the Celts and if we speak about those Celts as the original (first historically proven) people in Austria, it makes some sense. Those Celtic people had their influence and have it to this day, as they did in other parts of Europe.
Now I will just speak about the major groups which followed:
They became Romanised and Romans arrived too. Germanics came and lived there in larger numbers, but then came the Avars with their auxiliaries, the Slavs. Under the Avar rule Slavs settled in various areas which were Kelto-Romano-Germanic before. It depends on the exact settlement whether they founded an exclusively Slavic village or whether they mixed or whether they left an original settlement largely untouched. So we dont see an exclusively Slavic inhabitation at that time, but a Slavic immigration under Avar rule.
There were hard fights between the Avars (with their auxiliaries) and Germanics (Bavarians) and already in that time, but especially after their defeat, Bavarians settled in Austria. Similar to Slavs they partly founded new villages or mixed or let certain areas largely untouched.
There was the story with the Hungarians and their defeat too, but to sum it up, Bavarians settled all parts of todays Austria and only on some fringes spots of low Bavarian settlement existed in which came mixed German-Slavic areas up, like in parts of Carinthia.
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they remain isolated as Goetschee Germans (don't know if I wrote that correctly)
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Gottscheer Deutsche.
Gottscheer - Wikipedia
They lived in the state of what is now Slovenia and were driven out by partisans and Communists.
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and in Slovenian cities where Germans were the majority
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Like in most of Eastern Europe, since they brought occidental culture and techniques there.
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although a lot of them were Germanized Slovenians
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Any evidences for that? The rules were quite strict for the cities actually and in most areas it was more likely for the rural population to be Germanised, whereas the cities were really predominantely German.
Genetic tests done on various ethnic Germans in Eastern Europe also showed that they had little mixture with locals, especially paternally, which seems to be the usual notion for socially dominant groups all over the world.
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However, it is a fact that Slovenians who live now in Carinthia are original population there and have Slovenian ancestors living there since time of Carantania.
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The "original population" is unknown, but we could both agree that the autochthones were Celts or Romano-Celts and Germanics. It depends on the exact area though whether we see a new Slavic settlement or not though. Much was destroyed by the Avars in any case, thats why the Bavarian settlement was so complete, there was not much of an higher culture left afterwards and some areas where even cultural "deserts" ("deserta" in the sources).
After the Bavarian settlements the area was Germanized and of course, most people have a somewhat mixed background, so in the end they were just Germans, as the people in other German areas (Prussia f.e.). For the Slavic areas it was the same, since they rarely settled in a vacuum neither (Celto-Romans, Germanics, Illyrians, Dacians etc.).
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They would live better in Slovenia.
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They can go there. We now have the European Union and the Slovenes have a large and independent country - which is an achievement for them if looking back at the Slovenian history. Its a free choice - unlike it was for the Germans in various areas after the 2nd world war, where they had no choice at all - and if they were suppressed in an inhuman way. Slovenes have a choice in Carinthia, they can behave as a decent minority, and minority they are, they can become German Austrians, thats an option, or they can go.
Interestingly the Slovenes and Burgenland-Croatians in Austria are usually on the side of other non-European minorities, Liberals and Marxists, which, by the way, makes them much more problematic than their Slavic language. Actually they are otherwise no problem at all, except being abused in useless debates on the internet about "how Slavic Carinthia is".
The Carinthians had their choice, there was a fight for Carinthia in which the majority wanted to stay German, and there was, unlike in Ödenburg (a German city which became "Sopron" later) a vote for their preference, one of the few votes which became reality after the great betrayal of the Woodrow Wilson program after the 1st World War - one of the major causes for all the later problems I might add with the horrible treaties that followed.
This was a vote in the areas with the highest percentages of Slavs in all of Carinthia (the South East), since most of the country is fully German, but still the vote was clear:
Volksabstimmung 1920 in Kärnten - Wikipedia
Austria was weak and almost utterly destroyed, but some free troops of Germans managed to hold back the whole SHS-army to defend their country from the foreign occupation. And the free vote for the partly Slavic areas was as clear, as everybody can see. It was one of the few free and fair decisions after the great wars in Central Europe and like for other regions too, the Germans and even some of the patriotic Slavs decided for a German homeland.
If such votes would have happened in others parts of German inhabited areas, including those in Deutsch-Böhmen-Sudeten, Oberschlesien, Westpreussen etc., a lot of troubles could have been prevented and there most likely wouldnt have been a 2nd World War at all - at least no reason for Germans to think about an attack on Czechoslovakia and Poland. But unfortunately, such free decisions were not possible and this betrayal had its unfortunate consequences.