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Originally Posted by Lutiferre

This part is basically everything you said that actually relates to my post, and to any of my sentiment.


The rest is you trying to school me, based on false premises about my opinions. And this was never about my opinions.

Au contraire.

Notice that I start saying

Originally Posted by Mynydd

But you are wrong in your concept of being "Europeanist".

I'll explain this next [...]

in response to your saying that

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

[...] people here are not Europeanists, but ethno-nationalists.

and so I go about to explain where you are wrong in your concept of Europeanism (since you deny it to those of us who think along those lines).

[quote]I didnt attempt to define Europe[quote]Mind you, and I never said that you did. But I did give a definition of what Europe is to me, so to help in the explanation of where you were wrong to deny us being Europeanist.

nor Europeanism.

Well, you did define it with respect to us, when you denied that we are not Europeanists. Certainly far from a full definition, but it still gives a hint to one. I won't apologize for reading in between lines (even if I wouldn't call that even reading in between lines).

I simply defined what most people at Stirpes are all about

And I proved you wrong. Not a crime, I hope.

And to that, you agreed, in the first few lines.

That's not true. I only agreed agreed to the second part of your statement, which is that "most people here are ethno-nationalists" (or maybe not even most, but a good number of us are ethno-nationalist or have a strong leaning towards ethno-nationalism).

But I denied (and further explained) the first part of your statement, that we "are not Europeanists".

The rest is an opposition to what you believe I stand for, and what you believe I think about the subjects you are describing (and you are mistaken). This was never about my belief, but you've made it, now.

What you believe you haven't said it yet.

But you have said what you believe about a number of us here. And that is, basically, what I have answered pointing at your error of perception.

Same thing, new post. I am not defining Europe, and I am not for the EU or a European nation, or "the United States of Europe". That is all in your mind, not mine.

More of the same:

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

If you're an ethno-nationalist, the logical consequence is opposition against any form of non-national (European) entity and unity or coalition

This pressuposes a definition of Europe that is non compatible with ethno-nationalism.

But you are trying to define what I stand for, you are trying to make it easier to ignore what I say, by simply laying words in my mouth, interpreting what I am about, by saying things I dont sympathize with, and by changing the subject.

If I'm wrong, or if you chose the wrong words and these are being misleading, I would much like you to explain what you stand for to see how wrong or misleading it was. This will be more productive than this...erh.. what's the intention of this post if not to discuss about the topic? (I ask it before you say again that I "put words on your mouth").

Terminology such as "sub-European" was more coincidental than anything; it was never an attempt to project a view of Europe, a definition of Europe, or any non-objective matter, that we dont all agree about. It was simply terminology, to articulate what I was talking about, and I was talking about the sovereign countries and the nations that today make up the geopolitical Europe.

So you admit now that maybe you chose the wrong words, and that these may have been a bit misleading? Well, it's a start. How about if you give now a more precise and correct view of your ideas? If only for the sake of discussion.

What you have just pulled, is one big straw man.

Oh, dear! I see that the above rant was all to end up with this! I didn't pull anything, if you notice. Not a straw man, nor anything else similar. But I see how this can help you avoid the discussion:

There are no merits in discussing this straw man.

Quod erat demostrandum

What I wrote, stands. What you wrote, doesnt

Such is life. I think that I'll survive till the end of the night, regardless.