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Originally Posted by Mynydd View Post
What do you mean that Jutes were Celtic in origin? You mean like germanicized Celts? That's hard to believe. Who would have germanicized the Jutes in first instance? and when?
Not really, considering the Germanic nature of the area. I believe we have had this discussion before. Jutes would be Germanic, because they speak a Germanic language, Danish, albeit with accent and because they are "Germanicized". But they only present the unification of the Cimbri and the Ambrones, and a number of other less significant tribes, but also the Teutones.

Note that the usage of Teuton as Germanic/German is a big misconception (Schütte, G., et al, 45), since the Teutones first of all were one of the tribes constituting the Jutes (the Iutum - the Eut-om, or Eutones), and not a whole people, and second of all the Teut- root isnt Germanic in specific, as some think, but in fact just as proto-Celtic and proto-Indo-European. Another usage is the Celtic god of tribes, Tout-atis/Teut-ates, Teut and its corruptions meaning tribe or people. A plausible Germanic origin would be *Þeudanōz, which is also a possibility. The etymological question of the name Teutones is not really significant though, since the linguistic Germanicization of the Celtic tribes that existed in Jutland is indeniable and self-evident, especially at the time the Teutones were noted in the first place. One has to consider other factors, though, which is often the problem with cheap ethnology. Factors such as culture and kinship are the final determinants - and all one can know is that the Teutones in specific were allied with two Celtic tribes that co-existed (and later merged with) and that they were culturally unified.
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