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Default Re: What is Macedonia and who are Macedonians? [split: Hypothetical Flags for Balkan Natio

I don't have much time, but I'll respond to a few of your points now and the rest later.

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But please read carefully, this was a Ivan Mihaylov's quote, not his grandson's one.
Yes, you're right. I noticed the error and edited my post.

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You talk about rebutting..but rebutting what...Let's summarize
All I meant was that it's mostly you providing "evidence" for the Bulgarian character of Macedonia and the Macedonians, and then I comment on the points you give. You haven't rebutted any of my responses, only added additional material.

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What about the genetical heritage of the Kuber's horde?
The general consensus is that the Bulgars were a Turkic people. I don't know enough on the issue to believe one theory or another, but I'll stick with this until I study this topic further.

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Why does all Goce Delchev's letters and papers are written without exception in literary Bulgarian language, not in Macedonian dialect.
This is a question you should be answering. No side disputes the existence of Macedonian dialects (Bulgarian linguists call them the "Western dialects"), which is why the situation with Delčev is rather odd.

To me this suggests a diglossic situation in Ottoman Macedonia, where the elite wrote in the language of education (in this case Bulgarian was the language of prestige and of the Bulgarian Exarchate!) while the common folk spoke the vernacular Macedonian dialects.

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Why the VMRO's predecessor's organization name is Bulgarian Macedonian-Adrianople Revolutionary Committee ?
This is the speculation of Bulgarian historians. It's based mostly, if not only, on circumstantial evidence.

Some Macedonian historians speculate that it was actually named the "Secret Macedonian-Adrianople Revolutionary Organization" during this period (1896–1902).

Both sides of the debate lack any credible evidence and base their conclusions on undated and handwritten documents.

Interestingly, there exists a statute titled "Secret Macedonian-Adrianople Revolutionary Organization", kept in a London museum and dated 1898.

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Why Goce Delchev was the author of the statute of the committee , which determines "A member of BMARC can be any Bulgarian, independent of gender, who isn't discredited with anything dishonestly..."
As we've already discussed, the term "Bulgarian" has had many different meaning in different periods of history. I'll get back to this one later.

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Let'see the Bitola inscription
As I said earlier, the validity of the Bitola inscription is questionable.

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Talking about rebutting, eh?
It feels like it's just me disputing you. A one sided debate, if you get what I mean.

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If you want I can post you documents about the creation of your language and alphabet by ASNOM in 1944
I've seen them all before.

The Macedonian language was codified around that time and dialects were standardized. These have different meanings and connotations to "created".

Similarly, the alphabet wasn't something plucked out of thin air. Have a look at the original text of Misirkov's book "On the Macedonian Matters" (the original was more or less like this) and you can see the inspiration for the modern alphabet.

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Again, sorry for the bad English.
Your English is great!
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