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Re: What is Macedonia and who are Macedonians? [split: Hypothetical Flags for Balkan Natio
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Originally Posted by Kan Yuvigi Asparukh
What about VMORO? Vatreshna Macedono-Odrinska Revolucionna Organizacija...Are there any Macedonians in Odrinsko  ? |
I'm sure you know about the complexities surrounding revolutionary movements in Ottoman Macedonia. I'm not going to comment on every little tidbit, because it will just to lead to more such posts.
This is a debate, try rebutting some of my responses to your previous posts.
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Originally Posted by Kan Yuvigi Asparukh
And the languages... call me a polyglot, but I think I can speak Macedonian, just like the Germans speak "Austrian", the Romanians - "Moldovian" and the Greeks - "Cypriot."
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Monolith has mentioned the Central- South Slavic diasystem a few times before. I think you have some reading ahead of you. And remember, when it comes to South Slavic languages, the definition of "language" is a grey area — somewhere between linguistics and politics.
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Originally Posted by Kan Yuvigi Asparukh
I'm interested what do your "istorichari" say about King Samuil, Yane Sandanski, Goce Delchev, Vanche Mihaylov... Are they Macedonians???
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They say a lot of things.
The good ones are unbiased. The provide quotes such as these...
Macedonians uphold their own system — free and self-governing Macedonia, most of all because of the interest in Macedonian independence, national distinctiveness and cultural ability.
- Ivan Mihajlov
If a certain people [Macedonians], that has its own customs, religion, language, tradition and the like, has endured after so much enslavement, it means that the people are capable of freedom! Bulgaria should return to the Macedonians what is Macedonian peacefully. Why is Bulgaria still keeping what is foreign and presenting it as its own? Are the Macedonians Bulgarian? As much as the Macedonians are Bulgarian — that much Bulgarians are Macedonian! The difference is great! The one people were on the Balkan Peninsula even before Christ, and the other came there in the 7th century. It is time to shout, "Macedonia for the Macedonians!"
- Ivan Mihajlov
...to show that the majority of these individuals expressed self-conflicting views in different points of their lives. It also shows that the terms "Macedonian" and "Bulgarian" had ever changing meanings and nuances.
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"The Macedonians drive like the Italians, gesture like the Jews, dream like the Russians, are obstinate like the Serbs, desirous like the French and hospitable like the Bedouins. It is a magical concoction, coated in the subversive patience and the aggressive passivity of the long oppressed. Never certain of their future, still grappling with their identity, an air of carpe diem with the most solemn religiosity of the devout."
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