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Default Re: Definition of Europe

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Originally Posted by Marulus View Post
I could answer with a counter-question: "I thought you said you liked to read traditionalist thinkers?" In the Revolt against the Modern World (I read it - again - recently) Evola speaks of the different worlds of traditions and speaks of similarities between them. The solar cult is present in ancient Egypt too and he does not see Islam in a necessarily exclusively chtonic perspective, as you imply.
Perhaps, but you're asking me the wrong question. I never said what Evola thought about Islam, I mentioned him and other Traditionalists because in their writings you can find informations about Hyperboreans, and that's what you asked me...

But this is not about solar cult solely, obviously, otherwise Incas and Japanese would be counted as Hyperboreans too. Hyperboreans didn't worshiped the sun... sun personificated the Almighty's real light and life-giving force on the earth, but it's not deity.

This is about Hyperborean heritage that all of their descendants in Europe of today share. Sure, there and then Europe influenced the desert people and vice versa, but it's clear that the collective spirit of these 2 groups of people is totally different.

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I know very well the general idea of what the Hyperboreans are, but there are different explanations. So I asked you what you think about that and what is your definition.

And about Evola: although I consider many of his critiques of modernity (and especially his rejection of scientism and the cult of progress) as valid and I share them, his fantasizings about the lost worlds need be taken with a pinch of salt.
Then I'm fantasizing too hahaha

Let's just take the symbol of cross. At the metaphysical plain it's a typical polar symbol. Vertical represents the link between the heaven and earth, and the path of the Son of God, from his Father, in heaven, to earth ( so he could deify it too). In polar symbolic it's the path of the sun ( which is not the Son of God but his visible manifestation) from summer solstice to winter solstice. God's fall, so He could rise again ( resurrect). Central point of polar sacral year is winter solstice. It's the magic moment in which the death turns into a new life. Sun, by falling to the lowest point beyond the horizon, starts it's way upwards, towards the heaven.

What's the most important about this is that Hyperborean symbolism has it's full and real sense only at the latitude of 90° N!

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You mean: Theseus?
Yes, I meant him. Thanks to both you and Produ who corrected me in his rep point.

Starting to forget the names of the characters... must be getting old

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Greek heritage was present in the European Christendom always: in the West it was through translations (sometimes via Arabic), in Byzantium through original texts.
Yep, but how many people used to speak about how great democracy, polytheism, ancient art etc. was and how bad dark ( middle) ages were before the "enlightened-ones"?

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With all those Middle Eastern desert-cults that migrated westwards? As was especially seen in (some branches of) the Gnosticism.
Be more precise... you're talking about dualistic heresies like Cathars, Bogumils etc.? What's your point? These heresies weren't of European origin and were very often promoted by Jews, especially at the south of France.

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Who cares about Hitler and what he thought about anything or anyone
I mentioned him to compare his views with the ones of the "enlightened-ones", and guess what - they were the same.
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