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Originally Posted by Savorgnan
Sure it is, it's a crucial point. If you think not, then you are not a nationalist.Do you know what Europe is? Something even wider than a meta-ethnicity, and thus even less palpable.No, they are absolutely not, in any case. White "nationalism" is BS, a concept totally alien to Europe, and I don't know what the "white race" is. Anyway, Europe isn't a racial concept, and Stirpes isn't a racist forum. Pan-Europeanism is another Masonic avatar, and so can be assimilated to a somewhat reduced White "nationalism" if you want. But true Nationalism is antagonist, and I'll rather say enemy of that.
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Yes, I know what Europe is. I have ancestry in several European countries, and have been to many European countries. I have friends from other European countries living here in Denmark. In the end, its easy to sit here and talk about Europe and its culture online. But when having experiences in reality, that is when you can really form a real picture of Europe.
You dont know what the white race is? Even ten year olds know that. You are just exaggerating because you disagree with its concept. Do you also disagree with the idea of Caucasians then? Perhaps you do. That is the white race. You dont have to agree with the concept for it to be real enough. The concept of a white race, is obviously just a social construction, but the underlying concept of Caucasians with distinguishable racial traits is based on some real science when we ignore the whole "white thing", I've never even met a "white" person in my life anyway. Well actually I have, and she was Chinese, not European.
Europe isnt a racial concept, I agree. Europe is a continent, but it is also an identity. Many refer to themselves as of "European descent" outside of Europe. European-Americans, White Americans, its all the same. The reason is that European countries share some common cultural, ethnic and racial elements or traits, that they dont share with other continental groups (except for some groups of people in North Africa and the Middle East).
Like I've already said, my idea of pan-Europeanism is not about dissolving the current division of Europe, or the nations or sub-entities of Europe as a whole. In my opinion, countries have to remain. Anything else is unrealistic, anyway. But my idea also incorporates strengthening the union, not for it to control all Europeans, but for European countries to work together. Thats what the North American union is going to do; thats what the African union is going to do, and same with the Asian. It has nothing to do with melting national identities.
Europes national identities are worth much more than Africas, among others.
Judging from your post, you sound more like you're trying to deny the existence of races, or trying to deconstruct European unity. Which is typical of anti-nationalists, whether or not the nationalist is a racialist. So dont come telling me that I am not a nationalist.
Are you a national-separatist-isolationist, in that case? Thats how it sounds.
I am a nationalist, in the sense I want there to be nations, which is actually a kind of nationalism in itself. And in the sense that I think nationalities and their cultures form the most objective way to divide Europe, and thus I think they are important. We shouldnt divide Europe in any other way. There is no ethnic border. There are nationalities, and they are the only identities we have to work with, except for the overall European identity.
But the nations are nothing without the European nations right next to them. It is undeniable that European relations are very important, and if we resort to sub-European extreme nationalism, as in national-isolationism or separatism, the country doing it would probably die economically and in the long run culturally anyway. Europe is larger entity than that, on many levels, that may very well be relatively independent as a whole, but the nations are not independent of each other.