[Martín Zalacaín]

Originally Posted by Degenuicide

Then you probably also find it philosophically hard to accept that its taken 4 billion years for our planet to develop human life, and subsequently tens of thousands of years for civilizations to emerge. But thats how this world works. I also, didnt claim that absolutely nothing good came out of it.

I wasn't speaking about that. I was pointing to the rejection of our past. In my opinion, people like you, who are ashamed of christianity and consider it some kind of cosmic error, are ultimately ashamed of being european.

I was referring to an ultimate advantage; like in reason over faith, or faith over reason. Faith can be good for a society as long as you dont reject reason (and that has happened numerous times; just see intelligent design over evolution).

Don't you find it interesting that those societies of the dark ages, like medieval christian societies, for instance, who based their worldview, their laws and their moral code on lies (faith) and wishful thinking, were societies that functioned much better than ours?

Paganism is near extinct, a pure piece of European culture. So is European culture and European people if we dont do all we can to preserve it. Thats why we need to revive European paganism; and thats why we need neopaganism.

I do not follow your logic. Wouldn't it be better to use Christianism instead, taking into account that Christianism is alive while paganism died hundreds of years ago? Oh, wait, I forgot that Christianism is a tool of the Zionists for hiding the real facts of the Holocaust! My mistake

That wasnt directly what I said. In some respects, we are beyond them, intellectually. In other respects, such as nationalism, we are behind them, ultimately due to the Zionist influence on Europe and America imposed by Christianity, and the associated cultural developments leading to progressivism and multiculturalism.

You are getting paranoid. What do you think about this ecuation:

Progressive regression of nationalism = Progressive decline of christianity.

There were nationalist christians for more that 1000 years and when their faith starts to fade, nationalism also fades. Coincidence?

There are lots of quotations in the bible, the book of Christianity. Whether it be the Gospel or the rest of the bible is less relevant. You must know this yourself. Jesus was not anti-Jewish, he was simply a reformist Judaist.

Research Biblical Zionism.
ICEJ: Biblical Zionism
ICEJ: Position

Concerning anti-semitism in people having embraced Semitic religions; thats a combination of many things, among others ignorance and the fact that Europeans never truly wanted to embrace Semitic culture. That there is nothing pro-Zionistic in Christian culture, is a lie.

Maybe you havent heard of Christian Zionism before?
Christian Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christian-Zionism.org: Arab-Israeli Conflict - Christian Zionism - Bible - Israel - Zionism

Ok, and what do you think about what I said on my previous post about the hate professed towards jews in all catholic nations for about 1000 years? What was that, a remnant of our pagan past?

You say that hate towards jews was based on ignorance of the true essence of Christian doctrine. They were supposed to worship the jews, but they didn't get it, right?

Well maybe if I didn´t live in a country that was nationalist, catholic and officially anti-semitic until 1975 I would even believe you

1 - and Arabs invented our current number system and algebra. But what did they utilize it for? Islam? We went to space. And anyway, the Phoenician alphabet ultimately derives from Egyptian hieroglyphs, and you and I ultimately derive from a single celled organism. It would be incorrect to assume that current Europe and its culture and achievements came out of the blue - it derives from more primitive cultures in Europe; and before humans more primitive species, and the Greek alphabet derives from a foreign, more primitive alphabet. Does that make Semitic religion/theism, mythology, tradition and culture acceptable for European nationalists? I think not.

So in your opinion Aquinas, Dante, Michelangelo, etc, were a bunch of retards who didn't notice that they were whorsipping a foreign god. So maybe, after all, we the europeans are not that intelligent and glorious, are we? We spent more than 1500 years fooled by the zionists, but finally, in this age of enlightment we were able to liberate ourselves.

I will pose another ecuation:

Rise of atheism since 1789 = Rise to power of jews.

Coincidence?

2 - You cant possibly measure such things, how could you measure who is truly an atheist and who isnt? And it would be impossible then to quantify which grouping has made bigger achievements in society. But I can assure you, atheists over time has achieved much of the scientific progress in the world, because people educated in sciences and reason are often more likely to be atheists. Lots of thinkers and philosophers have also historically rejected theism. But I dont really care about that question.

Are you insinuating that all the true european christian geniouses were actually atheists deep in their hearts?

I agree that faith can unite a people and give it mental strength and thus an effort over other peoples and cultures. But you seriously have to look at the consequences of something like Islam. The consequences are that they are still living in the Dark Ages. Look at their society. They have not evolved. They have not the level of thought or technology we have, and they wont.

Something like fundamental Islam and Christianity is very damaging to a society.

Instead, look at neopaganism. Scandinavian paganism was what gave the Vikings their mental strength and efforts in war over enemies - why not invoke true European religion instead of foreign religions? I truly dont sympathize with any opposition to neopaganism. It was mere historical details that led to Christianity's dominance over European paganism, and we could've gotten the same societal benefits and less damage from our own faith, if we had only kept it.

At any level, we should choose our own paganism over foreign Semitic religions. Many nationalists do this, at least here in Scandinavia. We are lucky to have our original, own, complete European paganism. If we didnt, we would have to embrace Christianity to have a faith, but we dont.

My main point of disagreement with your assertions is that you say that we have evolved towards good, and I believe that we are at our lowest. We are at the brink of disintegration as a civilization, we've lost our values, our dignity, our pride. We've lost everything that's metaphysical, while ruling in the physical realm. We are the kings of technology, I agree. But that means nothing to me. All the glory of europe was conquered not through technology, but through the spirit, be it pagan or christian.