[Martín Zalacaín]

Originally Posted by Degenuicide

I believe that there is a good reason many Europeans are now rejecting Christianity.

Would you please elaborate on that? What reason?

Christianity may have been a part of the evolution of our culture, but rejecting it is essential for continuing that growth and evolution.

I find it philosophically unacceptable that a civilization must reject more that 1500 years of its own History in order to evolve.

We have to choose reason over faith.

Why? What advantages has reason over faith? I consider civilizations based on faith as well-organized and powerful, they usually fight as one. However, our societies based on reason just breed selfish cowards, unable to fight for anything but their own good.

Since we cannot dictate that, I have proposed neopaganism be the substitute, for true European nationalists, since we can thus promote cultures and religions that have roots only in Europe - not in Israel or Arabia.

I think that if paganism is dead nowadays, it's for a good reason. You cannot seriously think that you can artificially replace christianity with paganism.

I dont believe all my ancestors or all European ancestors were weak-minded people. Far from all the most acknowledged Western philosophers subscribed to religions or faith, and those that did lived in a time where not doing so was often not considered an option, and where it was at least very unprevalent not doing so. Others, lived in times where only true European paganism was prevalent, which I have less against. Just as intergalactic space travel is not considered an option right now - so I dont blame them for it.

However, today, with so much information available to any ordinary person, through the internet and through libraries and so on, I would blame the individual, and no longer society, for rejecting reasoning.

From my point of view, our ancestors were still able to relate to a supramundane reality. We are not, and we disguise our inability as progress, we despise our ancestors because they were fooled, they based their lives on lies. We know better than them.

Christianity favors Zionism. That is a must. Christianity is a Semitic religion, with roots in Jewish mythology and geographically in Israel. The bible is part Judaistic. Jesus was a Judaist, and most likely a Jew.
All these things ultimately lead up to a Christian country to support Israel and the Zionist cause. Thats why Israel even exists today, the Jewish separatist state, because there was mandate for it from the Christian countries - for taking over large parts of Palestine. Taking over a country, based on the biblical assertion that Israel belongs to the sons of Israel or Jews - clearly rooted in Christianity. Not often, has the West decided to invade and occupy a country, that wasnt hostile. However, with the Zionist cause for the Jewish separatist state, exactly that was decided.

Can you prove that? Some quotation from the Gospels, maybe? It would be difficult to find one, since Jesus spends the whole Gospels criticizing jews, their hypocritical ways, to the point that the only act of violence of Jesus in the Gospels is against those jewish merchants that were selling their goods in the temple. I find Jesus to be quite anti-jewish. Most true catholics are openly anti-semitic (as in anti-jewish), and jews have traditionally been considered deicidal in catholic coutries, and thus hated. I find nothing pro-zionistic in traditional cristianism.

As I said - condemning Christianity in present-day society is not the same as condemning every manifestation of Christianity, from thousands of years ago in Europe. Christianity was part of our evolution. Would be here today if we hadnt had Christianity? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe our own paganism would have done the same for us as Christianity, all that is speculative. We can only conclude that Christianity after all has influenced the development of our ideals and society, and that is both positive and negative. A big part of it is positive, and in order to keep growing culturally, we have to move on from Christianity, like we've moved on from living in caves to houses.

That doesnt mean the primitive step in our cultural evolution was unnecessary or replaceable - maybe it was, maybe not, but nevertheless it has gotten us where we are today, and from there we should move on. Anything thats been good for a society doesnt necessarily keep being good for a society forever - and something thats good for a society can be negative, and thus make people realize that its wrong, thus having a positive effect. And that statement is powerful and true.

I have to agree though, that European culture also influenced our form of Christianity, but it still was rooted in Semitic elements, and that is unacceptable today.

Two last things:

1- Do you know that the greek alphabet is based on the phoenician one which is, well..., semitic? Shall we reject this spurious alphabet, and all the poetry, philosophy and history that has been built upon it?

2- What are, in your opinion, the greatest achievements of atheistic civilization? I would suggest Free market, Jackson Pollock and homosexual marriage