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Originally Posted by Lagun
I have met many people that being deeply atheist, had on the other hand, very strong social values. Furthermore I have known people that claimed to be "perfect Catholics" ("de misa diaria" as we say in Spain), and then fail terribly as individuals, having no social values what so ever,and being what we could call "selfish money lovers".
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This is true on a personal level. Some religious people are disgusting money-grabbing hypocrites, some atheists are altruistic men who sacrifice themselves for their people. But if you take it to a social level, you will find that societies need organized religion to stick together, to fight united as one for their own goals. At least that's the conclusion I reach through the study of history. I blame on atheism/nihilism the absence of compromise of nowaday's youth.
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Originally Posted by Seekers
Analogous to the fundamental principle of virtue ethics, I think that good morality has to be brought forth from within, else it is mere agreement with a social contract.
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While that is ok on an individual level, you need a God to tell everyone what's right and what's wrong if you want society to function. Otherwise expect chaos.