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Originally Posted by PaleoYankee

While the media does lie about european health care, I still don;t think socialized medicine could ever work in the USA. The US is far too diverse, and it has a porous border with a third world country. Milton Friedman once said something along the lines "You cannot have an open border and a welfare state." He was right.

This yet another typical difference between the mind of Americans and of Europeans.

Americans see everything in terms of "the others", which is how they hope to excuse everything.

The truth however is another. I'll give you an example of something that I learned a few years ago about the American social ways. Something at which any European would be enraged, if it ever happened here.

Some [White] American told me that he was suffering from a certain medical condition. The said medical condition would not allow him to work, while he was under treatment. And he did need to undergo treatment for his problem. So he said that everything would be alright while his workplace medical insurance covered it. However, due to the long term required for treatment, he would lose his job and subsequently his medical insurance (not right away, though). For the record, I'll add that his job was in a public office, not private (this is a note to Europeans, it doesn't have the same meaning for Americans).

I didn't see why that should be a problem. Often health services here are better than private ones. And, believe me, that I know what I'm talking about. Only in the last years we are seeing a shameful move towards the American model. And many of those private cliniques are more related to marketing than they are to medicine.

To give you an example, I'll use one such private clinique here of a luxurious and lavish outlook. A few years ago I asked my father about it. He said: "well, they just deal with easy cases that don't need complex surgery and..", at this point I already knew that he did not even consider it surgery, properly speaking, and not without good reason "... when they have a more difficult case that requires some surgery, they call [he gave me two names]".

I didn't know those two names, he told me that they were two MDs in the public health hospital, in the department where he is the director. They did not belong to his surgical team.. not exactly among the brightest under his direction. I would have known the names, if they had been. Further to that, he had already seen a number of patients with complications, after having gone through that or other private cliniques here, and other parts of the country.

So the bottomline is that you have a public health service that is of a quality better than the private practice. However it has no few problems and it is not the comfortable and luxurious of those private cliniques. And you would like to think that this is because of some Socialist system. But no. It is actually the result of one of the most Conservative systems that I've known of, namely the social system created under the regime of General F. Franco. I mean Conservative as in.. Conservative. I've learned that a same word being used in an American context, it comes with a total different meaning, more often than not.

And it is fair that it is so. Medicine is a Science in the service of Man, not a bloody business for unscrupulous profiteering merchants. A hospital is a hospital, not a damn bazaar shop. Europe is not America.

Back to my American, he told me that if he lost his job he would lose his medical insurance, and then he would have to ask for a bank credit to pay for his treatment, and to survive.

The most shocking thing is that --after we discussed about the different systems-- he still had the stomach to call the system in Europe a "nunny state", as if there was something wrong in it.

So you see, Yankee. We do care about our own people. And more so us, who are nationalists. We refuse to see our own people being abandoned as lepers, left on a cold street. And because we do, we do not use immigration as an excuse. Of course we do oppose to the use and the abuse by immigrants of OUR social and health services. But dignity prevents us from using that as an excuse to wanting to see a system that has to serve our peoples, dismantled.. to the benefit of merchants.

And politically speaking, the mind of the Europeans is as far away as from that of Americans, as are Europeans from Africans. No matter which label system you use to name your political stance.

There is only ONE way for us: those whose roots are not here (and those whose roots were transplanted elsewhere), simply do not belong here and can only have a visitor's right to whatever is left, after being used to the service of the native peoples of Europe.

Also, anyone who thinks this is common ought to take a look at the black-on-white crime stats. You'll see that the opposite occuring is far more common.

It is not a matter of how common it is in the black-on-white vs white-on-black general issue. Those criminals belong to a group which is far more reduced than the overall white population. They belong to a naught point naught-naugh-little per cent of the White American population, which is identified as the White Trash, White Nationalist gang.

So it is statistically VERY significative.


p.s. as I do believe that it is significative that you label yourself a "something-conservative" yet you side with the WN gang at the first chance. To be safe, always bear in mind that behind the façade of an American, there is a swindle.