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Originally Posted by ScottishResistance
First, yea the Ethnicity thing was an accident, I thought it was Race, I wasn't paying attention.
Anyways, I don't quite understand what you mean Mynydd. How so are the Celts not of Indo-European Origin ?, and what exactly displaced the Aryans in Europe. It is my understanding that modern day Whites are direct, or part descendant from the Indo-European invasions ?.
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The name of Celtic peoples (notice again, Celtics and not Kelts) for the Gaelic and Brythonic speakers (or their descendents) does not tell the whole story of the genetic heritage of those peoples.
What the DNA studies are showing is that the main element that makes up the genetic pool of those Celtic speaking peoples (the substratum) is one native to those lands since the times of the Upper Paleolithic and the Mesolithic. That's long before the spread of the Celts. The Celts would not be a mass migration, but they were probably warriors who imposed themselves to the native substratum, as an adstratum, imposing also their language (or a mixed language between theirs and the language spoken by the natives) and part of their culture. So it was more a matter of 'aculturation' or culture spread.
Look at the following map. The red portions are the R1b Y-Chromosome (male line) DNA haplogroup. Its incidence is higher the farther you move west, and we can speculate that it coincides with the West Mediterranid and the Atlantid (anthropological) types. We could call it a "Western Race" of the European peoples.
If you notice, in the Island of Britain it is weaker in England except for its Western part. In the representation this must be Cornwall and, outside England, Wales. It is probably stronger also in Cumbria, as compared to all of Eastern England.
If you had a pie of only Eastern England, the incidence of R1b would show even weaker. This is because of the Anglo-Saxon invasions, as well as the Danish invasions in the North(-East) of England.
For Scotland, the incidence of R1b (red) is very high. The incidence of the I haplogroup (lilac) is with almost all certainty due to Viking invasions, as is in Ireland. The I Y-Chromosome haplogroup supposedly comes from the Old Germanics. The R1a (yellow) haplogroup is of Eastern European origin, assumedly of Old Slavonic origin. And the E3b (sky blue) of North African origin (not African as in Black African; it is supposed to be of the ancient Berbers, who were a Europoid [what you call "white"] people before they mixed with Sub-Saharan Africans [Blacks]).
To clear this mess a little, take these two things into account:
- The migration of these haplogroups may have occur in historical times (eg., the Viking raids), proto-historical (eg., the Celtic invasions), or pre-historical (the Paleolithic and the Neolithic). And of course one same people may have brought more than only one haplogroup.
- Where I've said "Old Germanic" or "Old Slavonic", these was a racial type and modern Germanics and Slavics, though they share a part of their genetic pool with these ancient peoples, do not necessarily carry the same genetic type, in full or in part. They are called Germanic or Slavic because they have languages and cultures that derive from the Old Germanics and Slavics. The same goes for Celtic.
Well, there is a lot of words, concepts and information in all of the above that are surely new to you, and often confusing. Take it one step at a time, and feel free to ask.
Also, beware that that is
my own interpretation and that it does not necessarily coincide with how others interpret it. So
you should contrast it with others.