Hello. I hope that you don't mind if we stick to facts.
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1º - Portu-Cale was born of the secession with the Galicia North, integrated in the Kingdom of Lion, is truth - We recognize this.
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Well, Henri de Bourgogne received those territories in dowry for his marriage with King Alfonso VI of Leon's daughter. If that's what you mean.
So that points to the birth of a state, not of a nation. More so when the nation's birth predates that event by some hundreds of years, through a complete ethnogenesis only
disturbed later by the intrusion of Islam.
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2º - We know however that Galicia is in itself a name that was born of a unique tribe in the estuary of the Douro
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Who is 'we'?
As far as I know,
Gallaeci was a generic denomination for the different tribes living between the Tagus river and the northern façade (and not even sure if that far north afield).
In any case, 2/3 or even 3/4 of Portugal are as unrelated to the Gallaeci as, say Cantabrians are.
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- in who was today PORTO-GAIA
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Portus Cale, you mean.
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3º- Of the CALÉCI (in Porto, Gaia etc.) two names had been born: CALÉCIA (Galicia) and PORTU-CALE (Portugal).
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I'm still at odds at what it has to do with the different sub-ethnicity of the Lusitanians.
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4º- the Origin of the Galicia is therefore in heart of Portugal - Port-Calaeci.
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So that means that it is occupied by the descedants of Lusitanians?
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The LUSITANIA(in center, south etc.), for its side, is not a tribe but it was a set of tribes.
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Like all other names, they referred to tribes, yes.
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5º. - It was this Identity that, independent from 1128 and 1139. if extended for south, until the extreme of Algarve.
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Which identity? You have named two different identities already: Gallaeci and Lusitani.
Never mind about others.
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6.º- The Kingdom of Portugal was until the extreme south, but the Kingdom of the Algarve (Strait litoral band in the south) remained as "Kingdom" only in the nominal plan.
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Yes, more or less that.
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7º- In Portugal, the "Foros" or "Fueros" as in Spain do NOT ever exist . Portugal was ALL a Kingdom in itself until the south extreme in Miedle Ages and Morden ages.
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You should consider the charters granted by King Alfonso VI of Leon, by which Henri de Bourgogne ruled as Count of Portu Cale.
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8º- Either in the Ancient Tradition of the MIRACLE of Ourique that certifies the Teofania of the Founder who received Illumination from JESUS CHRIST (D. Afonso Henriques in Alentejo - 1139); either in the MIRACLE of Fátima in 1917, where the SAINT VIRGEN MARY if also relates "PORTUGAL", not it "Spain", "Spains" or "etnias", but in Nations - SHE spoke in "Nations", "Portugal" and "Russia".
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Uh, alright.. I won't comment on that, if you don't mind.