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Originally Posted by Gromoljut
You mistake people who simply love nature (instead of only people, which are merely a part of nature) for Al Gore-like new-age pretenders.
I love trees, forests and wild animals. I hate the fact that one can hardly ever meet animals nowadays which were a common sight even 50 years ago. Wolves, lynxes, boars, ... are only examples. I hear stories from my grandparents and even parents - in their time, there was barely a paved road in Slovenia. Now, we build motorways like crazy, demolishing forests and countryside. Cities grow even if their population dwindles - land is used for stupid things like malls and movie theatres.
And it is not only construction & transport that annihilates nature. Cultivars of plants are being artificially developed these days (I am not talking only of GMOs) and monocultured, which not only destroys the soil, but also the genetic diversity of plants and the environment being cleared for their cultivation. A modern orchard of modern cultivars of apples or peaches is just as harmful to earth as any city or SUV.
Do not mistake me for Al Gore. Al Gore wants to make money and political points off "green politics" and "sustainable development", both of which are obviously insincere bull****.
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OK, you make some good points and I partly agree with you. My perspective is theistic and maybe there lies some difference.
I view also nature as part of God's creation, which man isn't allowed to destroy at his will. He should rule over nature as a good master, not as a sadistic tyrant. I am also very upset at shopping malls (whenever I see them, my stomach churns). I am also horrified at GMOs. I see results of it every day, before my eyes. For example, today in Croatia good old tomatoes which we used to eat when I was a child and which had a good taste and smell, have almost entirely disappeared, in favour of tasteless monsters grown in glass-houses. Moreover, you must buy new seed for these new tomatoes every year, you cannot just use the seed of the old ones, as it was earlier possible (obviously, it is a tool of totalitarian control, you must buy, you must give them money).
Man at the same time is and isn't part of the nature, that is one of great paradoxes of the human condition (among great many). Modern stupid technological "civilization" destroyed any tie between man and nature, a tie that existed for thousands of years and was religiously sanctioned and celebrated. I am not talking here of paganism only, but also of all possible saints and festivities in the Traditional Christianity. While Christianity upheld those practices, it had some connection with life.
However, I cannot accept any philosophy which wants to put nature above human life. Here lies one of the traps of the over-population agenda. Who is to say that some people are superfluous and others aren't? It is ethically unacceptable. As for sick freaks like Pentti Linkkola, although they claim that they speak in the name of nature, in fact their views show that they are precisely products of the modern technologicfal civilization: namely, they think that there is a purely technical solution to the problem as they see it, as there is a "technical" solution to everything. They want to reduce human population. How? By genocide or what? Such people should be either put into straightjacket if they endanger someone, or left as some curious exemplaries of human stupidtity to observe, like some exotic beasts.
It is precisely this false alarmism about overpopulation and similar problems that is a testimony to the presumption of the modern man, who wants to control everything and plan everything, even the things that are beyond his control. That's the tragic and grotesque side to various ecological movements: while pretending to be against modern over-technological lunacy, they are in fact part of the problem. (like Al Gore whom you mentioned)
As Gonzalvus said, their views are artificial.
I love nature, but hate Linkola and Al Gore.