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> Second part of my message :

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Your mistake here is that you are thinking in terms of citizenship, not of nationality. By doing so you limit your ability of reach, and therefore your ability to succeed. If speaking of ethnic preservation, one must reach alway for the top and arrive as far as possible. That the results will not be the exactly expected is only of secondary importance.

French nationality and citizenship are the same thing. That's a fact : France is Republic since 200 years. One of the most important principe of this Republic is that it should not be maid any distinction between all citizens regarding their ethnicity or race. This a “sacred” Constitutional principal (which can not be removed : the 'Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen' is a part of our Constitution).

Since then, France is by nature a State who condemn an ethnic definition of the nation, and who recognize only citizens.
It’s not me who confuse citizenship and nationality, it’s the French State !

And this definition of the French State is supported by the vast majority of French people and all the great policial parties (even th FN). What can I do, then ? I speak about reality here, and not what I want it to be.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I disagree. I believe that defining the French identity in ethnic terms would be most useful for the French. By not doing it that way, you accept the continuation of jacobinism in the multicultural/multirracial world of today. In other words, you issue your own sentence to die out.

Of course it will be more usefull for them, but they don’t care. People from Martinique, of the Reunion, Guadelupians, sons of immigrants born here, they are all French.
In term of citizenship, yes, but also in term of nationality because it is the same thing here ! And a great part of them, in fact, feel French.

Many of them will say that they are proud to be Morrocan, Algerian, West Indian or whatever. But if you object to their French national character, they will say that they are trully French, born here, that France is their country...
In fact, for some of them, it is very true and honest. Some of them will even identify themselves with regional identities : I've known people of African descent saying that they were proud to be Breton ! What should I said, then ?

And the native French population don’t care. The majority consider them to be French : they don’t have any ethnic conscience or whatever, and they all support our 'national' team !
The feeling of unity I talked about, they get it. With those non-European people. So, explain me what can we do in this context ?

There are still French people who care about their kin and the future of their nation. A minority, often nationalist. We must care about them and construct something with them. For the others, why should we care ? They hate us, anyway.

I hope for you, that it’s not the same thing in Spain and that your population is not like our.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

... a Breton ethnic identity? ... or a Gallo-Breton identity?

In fact, Breton nationalism is not really an ethnic one. It’s rather a mix between an historical one (the memory of the former Duchy of Brittany) and an ethnic one (the Breton people).

Gallo people are considered Breton (and they considered themselves to be Bretons). But the ancient (Western) Bretons didn’t consider them to be real Bretons, since they called them (Eastern Bretons) 'Gallos' which mean 'French'.
So, bascially, we can say that there are two ethnicities (Brythonics and “Gallos”) living in the same historical unity, the former Duchy of Brittany (a feeling of unity which is indispensable to form a nation).

But now, the linguistical separation is outdated, and a Breton nationalist will care about the whole Brittany. I don’t know if they will succed, because when the cultural character of a nation is dead, separatism has fewer reason to be, especially when it is a leftist separatism.
But I personnaly believe that independance would be a good thing for Brittany (economically and because I think that we should support every form of indigenous separatism - in the context of Multiethnic France, of course). It’s the problem of the Bretons, if they want it or not.

Anyway, I don’t know if I’m more attached to my French identity than my Breton identity. But I consider those two to be quite different.