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Default Re: Lutheranism vs. Catholism

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Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
This thread is devoted to Lutheran apologetics. I especially explore Catholic universalism.

Already in Medieval times the Church elevated Negroes to sainthood. The person depicted in the statue is St. Maurice, the patron saint of the Holy Roman Emperors.

The Cathedral of Magdeburg, 1240.

Moses the Black (d. 405) and Benedict the Black (canonized 1807) are examples of other Negro saints. Even if we discount other arguments against saint cults it is absurd to venerate dead Negroes as saints!

The Catholic Church has been in a steady decline since the papal bull Sublimus Dei promulgated by Pope Paul III in 1537 affirmed the universalist doctrine of racial equality.

Meanwhile the German Protestants made fun of the Negro in Magdeburg the Pope told them to worship.

Today, the Catholic Church is a major force pushing for open borders.
In 1992, the Church even published a new catechism which says that "mistreatment of immigrants" is a sin!

Then

Granted, most European Protestant churches are also very liberal. However, few Protestants care of their opinions and they are not binding. Protestants have a freedom to disagree with the Church but the Pope is infallible.


Jews and the Catholic Church. Although I am not an anti-Semite (in the Hitlerian sense) the Catholic Church has some really dubious theological views of Judaism.

The Church claims that the Jewish religious practice is actually valid and they don't need even need to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved!

The U. S. Bishops Committee for Ecumenical and Interreligious affairs: "Evangelizing task no longer includes the wish to absorb the Jewish faith into Christianity and so end the distinctive witness of Jews to God in human history. Thus, while the Catholic Church regards the saving act of Christ as central to the process of human salvation for all, it also believes that Jews already dwell in a saving covenant with God."

That view is a simple heresy. There is no salvation for perfidious Jews.

Jesus said: "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me." (John 14:6)
"And this is life everlasting that they know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ Whom Thou hast sent." (John 17.3), "
"And there is not salvation in any other. For neither is there any other name under heaven given to men, wherein we must be saved." (Acts 4.12)

However, the possibility of salvation is open to Jews and ignorant savages who have never understood the Catholic faith.

("Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience — those too may achieve eternal salvation" (Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, 16).)

Lutherans believe, correctly, that the superstitions of savages or Muslims cannot lead to salvation. Also, all other Christians will be saved.
You won't impress anybody with all these quotations, because this is not a raci(ali)st forum.

Although most of recognize the existence of human races, we don't consider Negroes as subhumans. The Cathiolic Church is right here. The fact that they possess the equal human dignity like the Europeans doesn't mean they should be admitted to come here en masse.

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"Vatican Decries Fence Planned For U.S. Border", New York Times, November 15, 2006.
Nobody here cares about the US border and whether the south states will be inhabited by the White Trash or by Mexicans. This is European nationalist board.

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And what about the Protestants? Extra ecclesiam nulla salus. I proudly declare that I knowingly and deliberately reject the Catholic Church. Thus, according to the Church I will not be saved.
If the views expressed by you in this and in other threads were the essence of Lutheranism (and I think they aren't), then I would be extremely proud for not being a Lutheran.