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Default Re: Sub nordid and Vistulian

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Originally Posted by Bojo View Post
Thank you Visigodo for your appreciation, and here are sub types from
ukrainian map.
And What do you think about my erroneously intended Valdaic types?
What they are? And do you can send other Bunak´photos?

BALTIC ZONE: 1) White sea = Corded+Uralid? similar to Neo Danubian?
2) Baltid = West Baltid
3) East Baltid = I think really East Baltid (Savolaxid)
4) Estonian variant of East Baltid = ???
5) Latgalian variant of West Baltid = west Baltid+East Baltid?

6) Illmen Dniepr = Nordid+Valdaic

DNIEPR-VOLGA ZONE
(Central east european): 7) Don Sursk = Variant of North Pontid
8) Valdaic = Osteuropid (reduced Baltid)
9) Lithuanian variant of Valdaic
10) Upper Oka = other North Pontid?
11) Kama-Suchonska = ???
12) Vetluzkij variant Kljazmensko-Vetluzkoj = ???
13) Kljazmenskij variant Klajzmensko-Vetluzkoj = ???
14) Central Ukrainian = ???
15) Volin = ???
16) Polessian = very robust cromanid
17) Upper Neman = ???

PONTIC ZONE: 18) Don Sursk steppe =
19) Middle Volga = I think pontid with uralid influence.
20) Prutian type = Ukrainian Pontid
21) Lower Dniepr = other Ukrainian Pontid
22) Kuban type = Pontid+Armenid or other causasian type
23) Lower Danubian = Pontid+dinarid
24) Balkan variant of Black sea type

CARPATO-BALKAN ZONE: 25) Carpatid = a) dinarid and norid ??, b) East alpinid??

URALO-LAPPONOID ZONE: 26) Viatka-Kama = Sub lapponoid, Ludman´s Volgid, Bunak´s Volga-Kama
27) Lapponoid = classic reduced Lappid type
28) Sub Uralid = Ladogan
29) Uralid = unreduced proto lapponoid

SOUTHERN SIBIRID ZONE: 30) Southern sibirid = Turanid???
Thank you so much for the translation. I appreciate your effort.

Regarding your "Valdaic" examples I think most of them look something more Balticized that the classic Bunak's Valdaic type is. For example. In fact the two examples in black and with are Baltids (standard) and the one in colour Baltid/East-Baltid I would say:



Now compare with two Bunak's examples, they don't show Baltizisation and they have much more "Nordoid" look:






Perhaps this one can have some resemblances:

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