[Cirrus]

Originally Posted by Agripa

This mankind as it is and large masses of people which exist in our currenct societies now are absolutely premature and not able to deal with the great opportunities and threats they are exposed to. Without improvement they will eliminate themselves or at least being unable to deal with future threats in an appropriate way. The case of Europeans now, which are unable to form collective forms of organisation and to fight for their own survival, or workers being unable to understand and fight the exploitative structure of Liberalcapitalism or the so called "social elite" to resist corruption and indoctrination through the small, absolutely greedy and irresponsible plutocratic oligarchy are proofs enough - even if minor systemic changes would correct that - for the dangerously low standard of mankind and the need for improvement.

There are two problems :
First, it seems to me that humankind has assured its survival. Then, I don't understand your first point : scientific progress don't seems to be stoped, the natality is controled, and the population more educated.
Then, it is true that the liberal-capitalist system makes huge damages in our societies, but I think it's another problem : a moral problem.

Originally Posted by Agrippa

So if the biological elite of your country sacrifices itself, without having sufficient offspring, for the lowest elements of your population which reproduces sufficiently without considering higher goals and morals, or even thinking about their existence on a higher level at all, you think that this would be alright?

But this will always happen in modern countries. The only way to prevent that is strict kin selection in premodern warlike societies in which only GROUPS of high level individuals profited biologically by being dominant and superior.

How do you want to "support" the better elements if not by Eugenic programs?

Like I said, I think that this problem should be resolved by political, cultural and sociological (human-like) programs. Because I think that a eugenic policy would be imperfect, subjective and even dangerous for us.

Originally Posted by Agrippa

What I said is exactly that those people must get rid of such false morals and embrace a biosocial and collective ethic which will help either themselves, their future healthy children and the group as a whole. So again, what should be wrong about that?

In fact, this program also hurt a certain idea of freedom I have.