[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by PeterThaGreat

This is something I absolutely relate to and it's been the reason I've alianated from majority of Finnish posters in anthro-forums.




Gere, I am happy you could see through that crap, it's the other side of the coin in their agenda, the other half is emphasizing and exaggarating the Lappid influence among the Swedish. Over the past months I've witnessed unbelieveable utter lies from various Finnnish posters, whose name I am not going to address. I have a good recollection of one particular debate which required a Russian poster to proof that the two former Finnishswedish aristocratic president are actually of Swedish descent, unbelievable The same Russian skadi poster, who has actually lived in Finland managed to gain the wrath of all Finnish members when pointing out the phenotypical differencies between the two groups, Finns and Finnihswedes, something he had observed for years. Many of the Finnish posters even talk on these matters, Finnishswedes, which they do not have a clue with great arrogance and with patronizing tone. Many of them are the worst kinds of members a forum can receive. Anyway, I am not mocking all Finnish posters some of them have wrote very accurately of the Swedish minority here in Finland.

Everytime I have written about Swedish minority, even if in neutral contexts, it has always sparked the same predictable rants from the Finnish members, yesterday was no exception.
http://forum.stirpes.net/anthropomet...goeta-typ.html

The Finnishswedes are of direct Swedish extension, from the Swedish settlers that settled the previously unpopulated coastal areas of the country between 1100-1300, this fact does not change despite some additional German influence. To me Finnishswedish is, if speaking in racial context, a person born to Finnishswedish parents, not to a parent. Those bi-langual persons, born after the latter half of 1950's, after the intermarriages really kicked in, do not qualify.

I understand it's a tough bite to absord for Finns to know that every major achievements, whether its military, cultural, scientific is from the hands of the germanic minority. Every important institutition in this country is builded by Finnishswedes. For the international audience, I would like to say my thoughts were not expression of opinion, it was a cold fact which doesn't require much to defend.

However, since this is stirpes forum and we should all be buddies here, I have to say that lack of Finnish participance in making the nation does not probably have anything to do with racial inferiority of Finns but rather the fact that Finns have traditionally inhabitet the rural areas, while the bigger cities, Helsingfors, Åbo, Vasa were once overwhelmingly Swedish. And we all know that nothing is invented by the the countryside hillybillies.

This goes slightly off-topic, but last week the national Finnish broadcasting telecompany, YLE, aired an interesting document of the city of Helsingfors, it mentioned that the Finnihswedish minority in Nyland is inclusively of Central-Swedish origins, the name Helsingfors was originally just Helsinge which the settlers from Hälsinge, Hälsingland,Sweden had given to their new location. (BTW The residents of Ostrobotnia are and Åland are more derivived from Western Swedish and Norwegians).

I don't think I ranted about anything yesterday. You have yet to offer any conclusive proofs that finnish-swedes do not contain a sizeable substratum of Finnish blood. I have posted many links which point to the fact that finnish admixture is a major factor in that group. The fact that the roots of the settlers are in Helsinge area does not mean that they haven't acquired a lot of Finnish blood while in here. I agree with you about the definition of a Finnish-Swede. Both parents etc,. But even a pure finnish-swede has finnish blood from way back unless they're very recent arrivals. Finnish-Swedes are not Swedes in my opinion. They are special tribe which is comprised of ethnic Swedes mixing with native Finns while retaining the language and culture of their original roots. I am not claiming that they are racially similar to Finns but neither are they similar to Swedes. And yes, on average Finnish-Swedes often look more Germanic, that's natural since they have more Germanic blood. I don't wish to start a pissing contest about this but claiming that all Finnish achievements is the work of Finnish-Swedes is preposterous. True they have been the major factor in shaping this country, but not all of them were originally even from Swedish roots. Wasn't it you who claimed over at HBD that Lönnroth wasn't a finnish-swede because he was ugly east-baltic and he happened to have a Finnish background.

So far in every forum you have categorically denied the mixing of Swedish settlers with native Finns, without giving any proof of it. You only point to the fact that they arrived from Sweden in the early 1000's. Yeah, they sure did. And then they gradually acquired Finnish blood aswell. And before you start accusing me of being anti-Swedish I can say that I, also have a substansial amount of Swedish ancestry, mainly from Skåne and and Gotland.