[PeterThaGreat]

Originally Posted by Gere

By default I agree. But I have to admit that my experiences with (non-Swedish) Finns - especially since I started networking online - are not at all good. They are invasive. They tell obvious lies that they think will make them look good to others. And they succeed in fooling an odd number of people who are ignorant in the history and anthropology of the north. I don't expect everyone to want to dig deeply into the history of my people in particular though.

Stirpes seems to have a much firmer knowledge base in this regard than many other websites. I just detest the usual fennobaltic invasive attitude towards Scandinavia found... well. Go figure.

This is something I absolutely relate to and it's been the reason I've alianated from majority of Finnish posters in anthro-forums.

I would also advise you to be aware of the fact that many (reg.) Finns deny that Finland-Swedes have Swedish ancestry. Differences in intonation and perspective in the historical account is a natural thing, but utter lies I do not tolerate. That is especially so when lies are used in attempts to make your European neighbour look like a moron. That's the reason why some (reg.) Finns got the idea that I'm anti-Finnish. Wilpuri, who greeted me here in a way that I will not forget or forgive, seems to have some kind of obsession with me. It's not my fault.

Gere, I am happy you could see through that crap, it's the other side of the coin in their agenda, the other half is emphasizing and exaggarating the Lappid influence among the Swedish. Over the past months I've witnessed unbelieveable utter lies from various Finnnish posters, whose name I am not going to address. I have a good recollection of one particular debate which required a Russian poster to proof that the two former Finnishswedish aristocratic president are actually of Swedish descent, unbelievable The same Russian skadi poster, who has actually lived in Finland managed to gain the wrath of all Finnish members when pointing out the phenotypical differencies between the two groups, Finns and Finnihswedes, something he had observed for years. Many of the Finnish posters even talk on these matters, Finnishswedes, which they do not have a clue with great arrogance and with patronizing tone. Many of them are the worst kinds of members a forum can receive. Anyway, I am not mocking all Finnish posters some of them have wrote very accurately of the Swedish minority here in Finland.

Everytime I have written about Swedish minority, even if in neutral contexts, it has always sparked the same predictable rants from the Finnish members, yesterday was no exception.
http://forum.stirpes.net/anthropomet...goeta-typ.html

The Finnishswedes are of direct Swedish extension, from the Swedish settlers that settled the previously unpopulated coastal areas of the country between 1100-1300, this fact does not change despite some additional German influence. To me Finnishswedish is, if speaking in racial context, a person born to Finnishswedish parents, not to a parent. Those bi-langual persons, born after the latter half of 1950's, after the intermarriages really kicked in, do not qualify.

I understand it's a tough bite to absord for Finns to know that every major achievements, whether its military, cultural, scientific is from the hands of the germanic minority. Every important institutition in this country is builded by Finnishswedes. For the international audience, I would like to say my thoughts were not expression of opinion, it was a cold fact which doesn't require much to defend.

However, since this is stirpes forum and we should all be buddies here, I have to say that lack of Finnish participance in making the nation does not probably have anything to do with racial inferiority of Finns but rather the fact that Finns have traditionally inhabitet the rural areas, while the bigger cities, Helsingfors, Åbo, Vasa were once overwhelmingly Swedish. And we all know that nothing is invented by the the countryside hillybillies.

This goes slightly off-topic, but last week the national Finnish broadcasting telecompany, YLE, aired an interesting document of the city of Helsingfors, it mentioned that the Finnihswedish minority in Nyland is inclusively of Central-Swedish origins, the name Helsingfors was originally just Helsinge which the settlers from Hälsinge, Hälsingland,Sweden had given to their new location. (BTW The residents of Ostrobotnia are and Åland are more derivived from Western Swedish and Norwegians).