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Originally Posted by Awar
Perhaps on live subjects.
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I am talking about "live subject".
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Phenotype changes more quickly than a Y HG 
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Yes but what Janez said doesn't makes sense to me because it is concluded that I haplotype developed in Europe alone some 20 000 years ago. Now we know there are sub-haplogroupgs among I haplogroup and these might have come some 5-10 000 years ago...maybe even sooner. Now let's also take into account phenotype changes and we can easily come to the conclusion that mutation of I haplotpye into I1b haplotpye came about the same period as did the development of the Dinaric phenotpye.
That is what I am talking about.
