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Default Re: Illyrians are the ancestors of the Albanians?

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Originally Posted by Zrinski View Post
There is no raw DNA of Illyrians and especially not of Albanians. We are talking about Y-chromosome markers, mutations that have developed over thousands of years, more correctly some 15-40 thousand years. Obviously the idea of Illyrians wasn't even born at that time, not to mention of Albanians or any other modern nation/ethnic group.





However you have mixed up something. You obviously heard about association of some haplogroups with certain meta-ethnic (culutural) groups. They are commonly called "culture carriers". So it is presumed that the Slavic culture (East Europe) carriers were on general people who had the R1a Y-chromosome haplgroup/mutation. R1b Celtic-Latin (West European), I1a Germanic (Nordic) people, I1b Dinaric (among others Illyrians), E3b near East neolithic farmers (from Black Sea region), J2 Middle-Eastern/North African marker (most common among Semitic populations such as Arabs), etc. I am ranting now but this is the only way I can explain this for you to understand.

Albanians from Albania: 27% E3b, I1b 17%, J2 14,5%, R1b 17,5% and R1a 10%.

Kosovo Albanians: 45% E3b, I1b 2,7%, J2 17%, R1b 21% and R1a 4,5%.

On the other side among South Slavic populations I1b is the most dominant haplogroup, namely among Croats.

Croats (from Croatia): different studies showed the percentage varies from 32% up to 44%. Croats from Bosnia-Herzegovina have 71% which is a peak of this haplgroup in any genetic study. It could be that Croats from Dalmatia have even higher % but they were not dealt with separately. Croats as an ethnic group (both Croatia an Bosnia-Herzegovina) have somewhere around 45% of I1b markers. And about 49% of I haplogroup in general.

Bosnian Muslims have it about 43,5% while Serbs are at 29% in Serbia and 31% in Bosnia-Herzegovina.



This map of the spread of I1b also correponds perfectly with the ethnic territory of Croats in Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Croats (orange) in Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovnina:



In the end I would like to point out that these studies cannot prove who is Albanian, Croat, French or Italian. It only shows how the people moved through thousands of years. It can also be indicative for ancient peoples such as Illyrians, Slavs, Celts and so on but is nowhere near being definite.
Ok, so essentially, the mutations took over a longer period of time than their existence, therefore making it difficult/impossible. to prove.

Fair enough.

I do have to say that some of this migration is a bit exaggerated. If my family (again, a branch, and a small one at that - 1/8th) didn't move, outside of being forced by the Ottoman Turks, over 700 years, why would I presume that people just freeflow moved everywhere? It makes no sense.

Also, you say the Croat concentrations correspond where they were located, thereby making an ethnic link, so to speak, but that doesn't apply to other groups.

I'm getting the feeling you have a bias against Albanians, as many people from the Balkans do - but feel free to prove me wrong on that.
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