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Originally Posted by Vasconcelos

Well obviously we do...

Why the obsession? What business is it of yours? You shouldn't concern yourself with such things. As Carl Sagan would say, we live on a pale blue dot in the vast emptiness of space and yet there are still narrow-minded people who wish to tell consenting people where they can and can't put their sex organs.

Most of the people who have voiced any level of opposition to homosexuality (and even some of those who haven't) have made it explicit that we do not want to know a person's sexual orientation. So what makes you think we'd be interested in knowing such things about fellow Stirpes members?

I'll let you answer that for yourself. You're the one who has a problem with those homosexuals and their 'demented antics'. But hey, if you're OK with the idea that there might be closet homosexuals lurking around on this forum then that's one step towards progress.

I can only speak on behalf of myself, but that is certainly not the reason for my opposition to homosexuality and, more specifically, public homosexuality.

How can you be sure? If you're comfortable in your sexuality then why the preoccupation with the disgusting things gay men do in their free time? Why do you spend so much time thinking about that?

We must not forget what the foundations of Europe are - Christianity. No matter your religion, that is the simple reality. I view this tolerance, and in your case, support for homosexuality as a direct and open attack on these foundations.

That is again debateable. Christianity is a Judaic religion and originated in the Middle East, not Europe. Many will argue, including myself, that we owe more to the Ancient Hellenic and then Roman civilizations than we do to Christianity. By the time Christianity arrived on the scene Europe was already a distinct entity. Sure it helped unify Europe, but what at what expense? I will keep my opinions on Christianity to myself for now as they are irrelevant to the thread. But as soon as the power of the church waned the Renaissance happened, arguably the period in history in which Europe learned the most. And yes, you'll be happy to know that some of the great thinkers in the Renaissance practiced homosexuality too.

My personal interest is the preservation of my own specific culture, followed by the preservation of all of Spain, followed by the preservation of all of Europe. I feel that Christianity plays an integral role in all of the aformenetioned, and I feel that such support, tolerance, or indifference of homosexuality stands as an obstruction to that goal.

If you choose to base your perceptions of modern homosexuality on a book that was written thousands of years ago then that really is a shame. You should try and do some thinking for yourself every once in awhile.

Obviously, there are more important problems at hand, as Gil said, but this is certainly a topic worth discussing.

Again, why are you so disturbed by homosexuals?

In the past, such a law was unnecessary. Public disapproval was enough to ensure that homosexuals maintained a level of secrecy. Now, that's not the case. Thus, different, 'extreme' measures need to be explored.

Extreme measures? Hah! That's rich. Last time that happened was in the 1970s when homosexuality was still classed as a mental illness. Homosexuals were locked in a room , given homoerotic pornography and injected with a vomit-inducing serum. The idea was to try and instill a recurring sense of disgust when they thought of naked men. And guess what? It didn't work. It did, however, manage to ruin the lives of thousands of American homosexuals. It's called aversion therapy, you should look it up.

The point is to clearly define that such a thing is unacceptable, rather than taking a laissez-faire stance which only sends the message that going against the foundations of Europe, and thus Europe itself, is completely fine.

LOL.

How do you make the leap from failing to identify homosexuality as unacceptable to going against the foundations of Europe and thus Europe itself?! I made it clear already that Christianity was not the foundation of Europe. Hellenic and Romance civilization were and they both condoned homosexuality in some way. Get your facts straight.

Sure. Neither is the average Muslim or African. So long as they don't harm anyone, who cares, right?

Don't compare European homosexuals with Muslims and Africans. They speak the same language, eat the same food and have the same values as other Europeans. They can't have mixed race children. They are not detracting from the culture and they are not bothering anyone other than latent homosexuals and religious bigots.