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Originally Posted by Chauntecleer

Seriously, who cares about what people do in their bedrooms?

Well obviously we do...

According to some estimations one in every ten people are homosexual. If that figure is true then there are probably some closet homosexuals on Stirpes too--just ask yourself who the insecure ones are.

Why? Have you not read the opinions here? Most of the people who have voiced any level of opposition to homosexuality (and even some of those who haven't) have made it explicit that we do not want to know a person's sexual orientation. So what makes you think we'd be interested in knowing such things about fellow Stirpes members?

It's sad when people have to belittle and oppress people of different sexualities because they get some peverse sense of machoness from it.

I can only speak on behalf of myself, but that is certainly not the reason for my opposition to homosexuality and, more specifically, public homosexuality.

We must not forget what the foundations of Europe are - Christianity. No matter your religion, that is the simple reality. I view this tolerance, and in your case, support for homosexuality as a direct and open attack on these foundations.

My personal interest is the preservation of my own specific culture, followed by the preservation of all of Spain, followed by the preservation of all of Europe. I feel that Christianity plays an integral role in all of the aformenetioned, and I feel that such support, tolerance, or indifference of homosexuality stands as an obstruction to that goal.

Obviously, there are more important problems at hand, as Gil said, but this is certainly a topic worth discussing.

The causes of homosexuality are obviously highly complex and not entirely understood. Some theories suggest it's a genetic condition and others that it's more a psychological condition. If we can't fully begin to comprehend the condition then why the Hell should it be made criminal?

Because, again, it goes entirely against the foundational values of Europe.

Certanly outlawing it in the past has had little effect in the past.

In the past, such a law was unnecessary. Public disapproval was enough to ensure that homosexuals maintained a level of secrecy. Now, that's not the case. Thus, different, 'extreme' measures need to be explored.

Even in Islamic countries where strict Sharia law makes it an offense punishable by death have incidences of homosexuality.

The point is not to eradicate it - as you've suggested, it's a lost cause. The point is to clearly define that such a thing is unacceptable, rather than taking a laissez-faire stance which only sends the message that going against the foundations of Europe, and thus Europe itself, is completely fine.

As I see it, homosexuals should have just as many liberities as heterosexual ones. If that means things like gay pride parades once every year then so be it. They aren't harming anyone.

Sure. Neither is the average Muslim or African. So long as they don't harm anyone, who cares, right?