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Originally Posted by Bardyllis
The clash of civilisations already exists, so it cannot be presented as a consequence of the eventual refusal of Turkey's membership.
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In fact what Ollie Rehn has done is a very low blackmail that I would have expected from a Turk, but not from a European: "either Europe accepts the Turks in, or Europe will be responsible for a forthcoming conflict."
If you think about it, it may even provide a moral pseudo-excuse for Islamics to take any action against Europe.
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Ollie Rehn is talking crap. He's just obeying his neo-liberal masters..
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I don't think that he obbeys his neo-liberal masters. He is one of them. His CV:
European Commission - Commissioner Olli Rehn - CV
To think that this is the ruling class of Europe leaves you with no hope.
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If Turkey becomes a member state,which I hope never happens, it will be the second most powerful member state.
Only Germany will have more votes then Turkey.
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You are right. There are near 60 million of Turks in Turkey. It's total population is of 71-72 million, the difference being immigrants in various European countries.
That makes it even worse. With nearly 3 million ethnic Turks in Germany, German politicians will pledge to the interests of Turkey in order to gain the support of such a large sector of Germany's citizens. In The Netherlands they are some 360,000 ethnic Turks, which is a considerable number for such a small country. Add to that the other Muslim ethnic groups, which can lobby with the interests of Turkey. Austria hosts 185,000 Turks within a total population significantly smaller than that of The Netherlands and, clearly, Germany. In Bulgaria, with 760,000, they make up for about 10% of the total population.
France has 400,000, but there Maghrebians are a much larger group. Belgium 120,000 in a population of 10.5 million. Maghrebians are also a large number in Belgium. Britain has 300,000, and there the larger groups are Pakistanis and others.
To the Turks, add the Albanians. There are 450,000 in Greece. I haven't been able to find data on Italy, but there is a significant number of Albanian immigrants there. And they are spread through other countries in Europe, where they are one of the nastiest criminal ethnicities.
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No European, who calls himself/herself sane can tolerate that. Imagine the situation where Turkey has a power of veto on every decision that European member states make.
I call that unacceptable and unforgivable.
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Absolutely.