The discussion between Caesar Princpes and Sohni has been split and moved to: http://forum.stirpes.net/camera-obscura/11862-caesar-princeps-vs-sohni-imperialism-vs-anti-imperialism.html
The discussion with Saxonian Knight should be split too and moved to a thread of its own, at some point. Ideas for a new thread name for the split are welcome.
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'Dardanidae duri, quae uos a stirpe parentum
prima tulit tellus, eadem uos ubere laeto
accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem:
hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris,
et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.'
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
–Plato–
'Many people, I believe, wish for a society where faith, decency, pro-life convictions and national self-determination within Europe can flourish; and not be swallowed up in a dictatorial EU bureaucracy.'
–Gerry McGeough, Irish Nationalist and POW–