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Originally Posted by EnglishJac

It is obviously that the English until recently identified themselves as British because of the influence of England within the Union there was no great cultural influence from the other nations, and of course it was a Union between England and Scotland, as Wales and Ireland had already become conquests of England at the time of the act of union, but the Scots joined in Union for a particular reason that it had bankrupted itself trying to set up a colony in panama. And the English people at the time were not best impressed, about the Union with Scotland.

That's all fine and easy to see. What is perhaps not so easy to see is how much the constructed identity of Britain has affected the English identity. Even when British identity was in a large part influenced by the English element, there have been other identity elements in its construction, such as the Scottish or the Welsh, and the evolutive element which has colonial elements.

Clearly, this is no problem for Scotland or Wales in terms of their national identities for they have resisted pressure to "britanization". But England did give up its own identity to the British one, assuming British and English being two name for the same.

And in regards to Britain as a nation I meant that in terms of a state, a political union which of course has ceased realistically to function due to devolution, denied to the English.

I am not having ago at you, but English Nationalism is growing at an incredible pace, the British national party has tried to jump on the bandwagon of the popular thought amongst English people, which they have failed because of the fact there is no such thing as a British nationalist or nationality and their ideology both racist and other just is not excepted.
English people have woken up post devolution slowly lol, but they are getting there.

That the BNP was in the wrong path is nothing new to me. The misunderstanding here is that I was speaking in terms of English Nationalism as a flagship of a political force or movement, or even an ideological one. While you were referring to a sentiment of nationalism which appears to be awaking in the minds of the English people.

It is, however, incidential that this sentiment has been awoken the rejection of the other nations of the British union. Under such circumstances, it will udoubtedly be interesting to see how it developes in the future.

English nationalism is growing because it’s based on Englishness, the erosion of English culture by multiculturalism and the anti English polices of the British government and obviously the negative political and demographic affects of devolution granted towards the other home nations on England.

As for the BNP, it will also be interesting to see how it tries to adapt and to accommodate to this reality. Previous (and present) attempts to adapt by the BNP have been rather pathetic and offered little credibility.

I think the reason that there is a different type of nationalism in England is due to political correctness, I mean the welsh and Scots base theirs on their supposed Celtic genetics or ancestry, their Celtic culture, you simply can not embrace the Anglo Saxon or Germanic culture of England with out being branded a racist so of course this makes people shy away from embracing their identity and of course English nationalism, if you can not embrace the founding fathers of your country or fly the flag of St George how can you be expected to excel in the UK as a distinct ethnic group let alone a political ideology, which puts England and its culture first.

It's back to square one I'm afraid. Because the question is if England has retained its English identity apart from the British identity. Anglo-Saxon, Germanic England? Politically correctness aside, I wouldn't be certain that the English people would swallow that pill. Anything German gives the creeps to the English.

There is a book somewhere detailing how the English began as the first nationalists, perhaps we are becoming the last, but nationalists all the same., and it is clear that it is based on Englishness not britishness, multiculturalism is wrong it is simply destroying England, multi ethinicty with one common national identity that being English of the English nation, is something that makes sense and is what English Nationalism is about in my view, I class myself as ethnically English, but one if not ethnically can be culturally.

I see.

I would, given your almost dismissive as if it doesn’t exit accounts of English nationalism encourage you to look it up, I think you would be surprised by the vast amount of internet and other public material to it and you should come across a growing English Political Party, there is an English Rights March in may also.

I've seen a few things here and there, which I haven't taken much seriously. What you see on the internet is rarely an image of the real world. The only party that I know of in that respect is England First Party. Is that the one you are referring to?