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Originally Posted by Panonski
Because it's not their homeland. It takes much more than just being here to claim our piece of land as your homeland. Only Slovenians have that right.
Albanians do.
If Kosovo achieves independence, would it suddenly become Albanian homeland?
You're missing my point. We had Germans living here perfectly legally, but still that wouldn't mean Slovenia is their homeland.
But will they have right to do this?
Of course here I agree.
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As I said before, but it was after you posted this, if non-gypsy Slovenians consider gypsy settlers as a foreign community, this is not the point. You asked that because gypsies had settled in Slovenia in the 16th century, did they have the right to consider Slovenia as their homeland and I said yes. Why not? Here I disagree.
And if Kosovo achieved its independence would it become an Albanian homeland? I don't know. I'm not an Albanian Kosovar and cannot speak for them.
Ulster Protestants are ethnically British and, have formed a separate and cohesive community in Ireland and a separate and cohesive national identity for almost 400 years. Ulster to Ulster Protestants has more in common with Scotland and England than it does with the rest of Ireland.
As far as Ulster Protestants are concerned, and I agree with them, they are a separate nation to the Gaelic Irish and the part of Ireland that they occupy is far more a British territory than an Irish one. They see Ulster as separate country to the rest of Ireland and they regard Ulster as their homeland. It is different in its majority culture, religion, tradition and ethos, even the physical environment is different to the rest of Ireland as the Scottish and English colonists cleared vast tracts of the countryside for farms. It is substantially different to the rest of Ireland.
And Ulster Protestants have every right to consider Ulster as their homeland. Why shouldn't they? They are not like ethnic Germans, or gypsies, that have only ever made up a fraction of the population of their host countries in countries such as Slovenia. They are a cohesive national community of one million people with their own state and that state is constitutionally legal and internationally recognised as such. And they will not be forced out of the land they have lived in for centuries.
If the main objection to Northern Ireland is that it was national community that started out as a colony whereby the natives were dispossessed and the colonists took over. Then you are must condemn those lands where the natives were dispossessed at the hands of the settlers to start new countries, and by this logic, condemn the United States, Canada, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, all of Latin America, Taiwan, and several others.