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Originally Posted by Panonski
As for settling here, read second part of my post.
Electoral majority? When (if) Muslims become electoral majority in Europe, will Europe be their homeland?
Also, then by your logic Kosovo is Albanian homeland.
No, not really. There are many gypsy settlements here in Slovenia.
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I take it from the second part of your post you mean your statement on gypsy settlements in the Slovenia established in the 16th century. If that is true and gypsies have indeed maintained permanent settlements in Slovenia from the 16th century, then why could they not claim Slovenia as their homeland? 400 or 500 years is a hell of a long time to be in a country and not consider it home. Other Slovenians may consider gypsies a foreign community no matter how long they have been settled in Slovenia, but that is not the point. It is what Slovenian gypsies see as their homeland, and not the majority of non-gypsy Slovenians.
In the instance of Ireland, you tend to forget that the provisional Irish regime did in fact agree to the treaty with Britain that provided for the division of Ireland. In the first example that you cite, Slovenia, is there a legal treaty with the Slovenian government allowing gypsies a state of their own where gypsies form an electoral majority? To my knowledge there is none. So a partitioned Slovenia with a gypsy homeland forming a separate Slovenian state does not arise and is purely hypothetical.
And in the second example, Kosovo is indeed a homeland for Kosovar Albanians. But is it part of Albania? No, it is not.
In Kosovo, is there a legal treaty or proposed treaty with Serbia allowing for a Kosovar state, partitioning Kosovo, or ceding Kosovo to Albania? No, there is not to my knowledge. Kosovo is part of Serbia, though under UN administration, and Kosovar Albanians are a majority in Kosovo but do they form an electoral majority or are they too divided to do so? Do the majority of Albanians want Kosovo to be part of Albania, a separate state to both Albania and Serbia, or divided between Serbia and Albania? To my knowledge, no referenda have been held there resulting in treaties between Serbia and Albania regarding Kosovo. As there are no legal treaties in force, and Kosovo's legal and constitutional status is technically still within Serbia but seemingly ultimately unresolved, this is not strictly analogous to the situation in Ireland, though in Kosovo they do share the situation of existing national-ethnic majorities and minorities and that is about all.
In contrast, Northern Ireland's legal and constitutional status is decidedly resolved and completely established. Ireland's division under the terms of Anglo-Irish Treaty was a rational and reasonable solution to a difficult situation that almost threw the entire UK, and not just Ireland, into civil war. The solution allowed for the majority of the people in the northeast of the country to secede from the rest of Ireland to remain in the UK. They were constitutionally and legally allowed to do this under the terms of the Anglo-Irish Treaty, and they did. Thus Ulster Protestants secured their homeland of then 300 years as a division of the United Kingdom and Irish Catholics in the new state of Northern Ireland became a national minority.
As far as an electoral majority of Moslems in Europe is concerned, when and if they take over then yes, they will claim Europe as an Islamic homeland, even if the native Europeans dispute this. However, it is the task of the people's of Europe to prevent a Moslem Europe from becoming a reality, if they can.