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Originally Posted by Brigid
Yeah, probably.
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There can be little doubt, it's factual history.
The UK is not ruled by Westminister. It is ruled by the City of London Corporation. The City, as it is known, is a state within a state. It is above the law of the land.
In fact, MP's cannot even table questions to parliament where they concern the Bank of England. The City is in effect unaccountable and autonomous. It creates the laws, but it is not subject to them.
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You don't understand where I'm coming from on this obviously. You will see from my other posts that I'm not in denial about the atrocities that the English have inflicted on many innocent peoples... what I'm saying is that the English today need to move on and not live in the past.
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This is my point entirely. They need to move on. But they don't. They are still maintaining unwanted presence (including military) in foreign countries.
It's very hard to "move on" when part of your country has a foreign army patrolling the streets and supporting the government of a minority over a majority. When the empire stil exists in mothballed status (The Commonwealth) and there are still strategic imperial outposts dotted across the globe (which cost the UK a fortunate to maintain) then one wonders just how much intention there is of moving on. It may be simply that the methods have changed, but the motives have not.
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Why should I personally feel guilty for the things that occurred? Why should I feel ashamed of my forefathers? I don't.
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I didn't say you should. But neither should one think to pretend that England's crimes are all in the past and let's hear no more about it. They are still being committed as we speak. If we are to "move on" then we need to first address problems that still exist.
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I have heard people alluding to it.
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The defining moments of English & British history all involve Jewish finance or influence (Henry VIII & the Reformation, Cromwell's Civil War, The Williamite Revolution)
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Well, you are speaking from a biased point of view. This is obviously an emotive topic for you. I know what the Protestants in Northern Ireland are like, they are arrogant, self-righteous assholes generally, but you can't judge all English individuals on these people (assuming you tend to?).
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Actually, English people tend to have little in common with nothern Unionists.
The Unionist community is in some respects a parody of Britishness, a kind of Hollywood version of what they imagine Britishness to be. The Orange Order has recently said that the annual Orange marches should be promoted as a tourist attraction. I would go ever further and turn parts of East Belfast & certain other areas into a theme park.
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The govt indicates no remorse via political strategies... well, that may be the case, but I was talking about individual English people.
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Unfortunately, in a democracy the people elect the government.
You may not have personally, but if you are indifferent to certain policies that your elected government carry out then you are guilty by association. That, sadly, is the nature of the beast.
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I was, in part, referring indirectly to the English people's acceptance of it, not to the political policies themselves.
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But how many of them complain about the Union (which is multicultural) itself?
Are these people just racist as opposed to being against multiculturalism?
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Very emotive, if not overly sentimental.
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It reveals a very different way of thinking between two peoples.